tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post8777472660964491692..comments2024-03-13T09:47:40.487+00:00Comments on Cockpit Conversation: Nooooo! Don't Take My Future!Aviatrixhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-85802481636629818252009-11-03T14:23:03.873+00:002009-11-03T14:23:03.873+00:00@A^2: I'm having difficulty identifying how yo...@A^2: <i>I'm having difficulty identifying how you think it negates what I posted.</i><br /><br />I'm sorry if you think I was disagreeing with you, I was not.<br /><br />I agree there's no automatic reciprocity, and that the TF likely won't get a standard TC airplane certification. I was just pointing out that based on similar aircraft, the chances are very good TC will call it a "AULA". But perhaps not. The Terrafugia certainly is <i><b>different</b></i> as we say in Minnesota.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09991660841701835065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-71272011707538224382009-11-03T02:50:25.788+00:002009-11-03T02:50:25.788+00:00Sarah,
There's a lot more to certification s...Sarah,<br /><br /><br />There's a lot more to certification standards than weight and airspeed limits. My suspicion is that the US LSA and the AULA are sufficiently different in other aspects that the reciprocity is not invoked. FWIW, I did read your comment prior to posting, I'm having difficulty identifying how you think it negates what I posted.A Squarednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-7986199445476289052009-11-03T01:52:38.366+00:002009-11-03T01:52:38.366+00:00Well, the US "Light Sport" numbers are 1...Well, the US "Light Sport" numbers are 1320lb or 600kg max gross, 120 kt max speed and 45 kt stall. There are airplanes on the AULA list that are at that limit or very near it.<br /><br />For instance, the Flight Design CT - 1230 lbs, same engine as the Terrafugia.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09991660841701835065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-90548734222905095482009-11-03T01:13:37.088+00:002009-11-03T01:13:37.088+00:00Sara, I saw yours, and clicked through, but I coul...<b>Sara</b>, <i>I</i> saw yours, and clicked through, but I couldn't find the numbers required to qualify as an advanced ultralight. It requires a certain maximum weight and max wing-loading, and I feared the Terrafugia would be over that.<br /><br /><b>Ed</b>: I knew where you were going halfway through that comment, and you're right: a new level of bureaucracy for jointly approved products would not be good.<br /><br />If I were going to get an airplane that could only be registered as an ultralight, I'd get a $20k ultralight. And maybe the amount of *want!* I've discovered in myself over this flying car will get me to look at that.<br /><br />Or at least to go and visit <a href="http://liteflyer.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Lite Flyer</a> and get another ride in Bug.Aviatrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-56039851568862000992009-11-03T00:35:14.857+00:002009-11-03T00:35:14.857+00:00geez. Does no one read my (first) comments? :(
...geez. Does no one read my (first) comments? :(<br /><br />The AULA lists most of the 'light sport' types I am aware of as "advanced ultralight" TC permitted aircraft.<br /><br />With daytime, VFR, etc limitations.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09991660841701835065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-25257577324549255802009-11-03T00:31:39.113+00:002009-11-03T00:31:39.113+00:00Could it be registered as "experimental?"...Could it be registered as "experimental?" That's usually the way the warbird community gets around it.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13012644338018089517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-86574881286853266602009-11-02T23:00:05.301+00:002009-11-02T23:00:05.301+00:00There is a bilateral agreement in place for aircra...There is a <a href="http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/certification/int/baa/usa-2000.htm" rel="nofollow">bilateral agreement</a> in place for aircraft certification between the US and Canada. Not sure about the details of how it works in reality, but I'll bet that the LSA category is at the root of why the Transition won't receive an airworthiness certificate.A Squarednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-56190321475185782582009-11-02T22:40:38.781+00:002009-11-02T22:40:38.781+00:00I was under the impression that there *was* some s...I was under the impression that there *was* some sort of system of reciprocity in place for aircraft certification between the US and Canada. Perhaps the problem is that the Transition will be certificated in the US Light Sport Category, which doesn't have a sufficiently close analog in Canada for the reciprocity to apply.A Squarednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-33218965970081006012009-11-02T21:26:47.220+00:002009-11-02T21:26:47.220+00:00Shouldn't two technologically advanced, safety...<i>Shouldn't two technologically advanced, safety-conscious countries like Canada and the US be able to agree on a reciprocity arrangement for the certification of manufactured products?</i><br /><br />You really don't want to go that way. Instead of just a reciprocity arrangement they'll decide they need a common set of standards which will be the union of the current US and Canadian rules (nobody can give up on any of their rules as that would be admitting that they weren't needed before).<br /><br />It seems to me that's what's happened in Europe with aviation over the last few years. It's been a right pain for gliding in the UK for very little, if any, real gain.Edhttp://www.edavies.nildram.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-63607200640225491632009-11-02T15:29:41.455+00:002009-11-02T15:29:41.455+00:00American Thanksgivings are cool.American Thanksgivings are cool.Geekzillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02228239470545006258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-43151439643714583562009-11-02T03:48:15.912+00:002009-11-02T03:48:15.912+00:00>>> if you have to wait an hour at the bo...>>> if you have to wait an hour at the border.<br /><br />Another use for the Nexus card!Wardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10536621966257386711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-50620019016392872072009-11-02T03:47:26.560+00:002009-11-02T03:47:26.560+00:00>>> Shouldn't two technologically adv...>>> Shouldn't two technologically advanced, safety-conscious countries like Canada and the US be able to agree on a reciprocity arrangement for the certification of manufactured products?<br /><br />Doesn't work for baby strollers, either. Even if they're identical (built in China and shipped to the US and Canada), they're supposed to have the proper stickers from each country.Wardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10536621966257386711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-18160327951442178062009-11-02T03:44:53.583+00:002009-11-02T03:44:53.583+00:00If I lived near a rural border crossing so there w...If I lived near a rural border crossing so there wouldn't be a long border wait that might work. Takes the fun out of it if you have to wait an hour at the border.<br /><br />Thanks for the addition to the list. I'd better check if it can even be registered as a car in Canada.Aviatrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-24201796295143041892009-11-02T03:30:50.898+00:002009-11-02T03:30:50.898+00:00Live near border - land in US and drive home? Nex...Live near border - land in US and drive home? Next hurdle - is it legally "roadable" in Canada?EssCarGonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-60984115677959301372009-11-02T02:27:03.984+00:002009-11-02T02:27:03.984+00:00It would take more than a flying car to make me le...It would take more than a flying car to make me leave my country.Aviatrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-69163875733950075942009-11-02T01:52:06.035+00:002009-11-02T01:52:06.035+00:00Plan B: move to the US?Plan B: move to the US?Anoynmoushttp://anoynmous.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-82177598931922903162009-11-02T01:46:47.559+00:002009-11-02T01:46:47.559+00:00Nooooo! Really? Can't you plan on registeri...Nooooo! Really? Can't you plan on registering it as a <a href="http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/general/CCARCS/advancedullist.htm" rel="nofollow">AULA</a>, which I gather is the equivalent of the FAA's "light sport" category?<br /><br />"Light sport" is Terrafugia's US plan, so it ought to work for daylight VFR.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09991660841701835065noreply@blogger.com