tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post6156262312417217692..comments2024-03-13T09:47:40.487+00:00Comments on Cockpit Conversation: Do You Regret Silence or Speech?Aviatrixhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-22715150958279238742010-04-07T12:41:52.748+00:002010-04-07T12:41:52.748+00:00I've known pilots who failed a check ride in t...I've known pilots who failed a check ride in the SIM because when the automation was getting in the way they clicked it off and hand-flew the approach with raw data for a while to get things re-stabilized.<br /><br />That's how fracked up the thinking is in some circles about using or not using the "bells and whistles." I even had one company engineer say he thought the pilots should be "Required" to use the auto-thrust at all times. Sheesh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-58492740880774767702010-04-07T04:55:37.873+00:002010-04-07T04:55:37.873+00:00I just flew raw data today, from takeoff to top o...I just flew raw data today, from takeoff to top of climb. Astonishingly, the plane didn't spiral out of control.A Squarednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-76731446477063814602010-04-07T03:11:50.144+00:002010-04-07T03:11:50.144+00:00Oh Boy, would I love to comment on this raw data t...Oh Boy, would I love to comment on this raw data thing! Better not, though. I will keep my mouth shut!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-54630570836557099992010-04-05T17:10:26.301+00:002010-04-05T17:10:26.301+00:00Raw data flying - not so simple as your response, ...Raw data flying - not so simple as your response, given the nature of modern airliners, the minimal training time available and the difficulty in hand-flying in the upper atmosphere. Also for something as basic as raw-data approachs the procedures and presentation and instrument scans change so drastically, they become an entirely different beast.<br /><br />Add to that the typically busy airspace parameters, and the speed at which things "happen" this is more challenging than you might expect. Reading between the lines of this (as usual) inadequate news report, I'm pretty sure I've seen similar events on the new generation of automated planes.<br /><br />It's becoming a complex issue - how to keep pilots current on raw data, in an environment where it is seldom needed let alone routinely used.Aluwingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16518739658424324739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-23151640211601718582010-04-05T14:26:38.373+00:002010-04-05T14:26:38.373+00:00I would have said something. But I choose not to....I would have said something. But I choose not to.D.B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16311812701887962320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-15795604478543837132010-04-05T14:24:57.044+00:002010-04-05T14:24:57.044+00:00Was the rabbit's name Trudy? (obscure movie re...Was the rabbit's name Trudy? (obscure movie reference; 10 points for anyone who guesses the movie).<br /><br />I don't know about anyone else, but I really like it when my pilots are comfortable with 'raw data flying'. The tone of the article made it seem like it just isn't done. While I'm sure the majority of big jets today fly on auto most of the time, I still want the girls and guys sitting in the front row to be comfortable with those pedal thingys on the floor and the steering wheel (or joystick) thingy in front of them. But maybe that's just me.John Lennertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05924844964753141338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-34244093093002216922010-04-05T13:09:28.737+00:002010-04-05T13:09:28.737+00:00The secret ingredient was RABBIT.The secret ingredient was RABBIT.Aviatrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-30182354047322766262010-04-05T06:25:49.746+00:002010-04-05T06:25:49.746+00:00"raw data" refers to flying solely by re..."raw data" refers to flying solely by reference to the attitude, pitot/static and Nav instruments vis flying with a flight director which is cuing you for the appropriate pitch and roll. Or in other words just basic instrument flying.A Squarednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-32111903243744609992010-04-05T05:10:12.895+00:002010-04-05T05:10:12.895+00:00Sometimes I wonder whether or not to speak up or r...Sometimes I wonder whether or not to speak up or remain silent... sometimes while commenting .. on comments. ;)<br /><br />When I wonder, Twain's quote comes to mind. <i>"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."</i><br /><br />So many topics.. where do I begin? I don't know about workouts motivation, but <a href="http://www.sloshspot.com/photos/blog/full/photo_1230743945.png" rel="nofollow">Hunter S. Thompson</a> has always worked for me.<br /><br />Wild accident report in Little Rock. An example of what can go wrong in pressing an approach past the point of reason. Yes, there are times to speak up.<br /><br />I'm not sure what you ( or the Indian journalist ) means by "raw data flying". Is this an Airbus control law thing?<br /><br />Finally, Easter dinner vindication. Was the secret ingredient an "easter egg" ?Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09991660841701835065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-58663224946681141732010-04-05T04:06:22.909+00:002010-04-05T04:06:22.909+00:00I am SO vindicated for my Easter dinner choice. Gu...I am SO vindicated for my Easter dinner choice. Guess what was the secret ingredient for Iron Chef America on Easter Sunday!Aviatrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-13082253895149897172010-04-05T04:01:22.808+00:002010-04-05T04:01:22.808+00:00I've maintained that maxims aren't meant t...I've maintained that maxims aren't meant to be absolute truths; they're tools to focus people in a conversation on a common concept, without having to restate the entire meme verbatim.<br /><br />In organizations, people agree on common terminology for common ideas. Laypeople often mistake this for jargon for its own sake, but in reality it's used to focus attention on a specific idea in an abbreviated way. Maxims sort of serve the same purpose; condensing a particular wisdom into a phase where a single word won't do.<br /><br />But wisdoms can be misused, even if they sound good. The earlybird got the worm, but the earlyhunter got the bird ...<br /><br />(And, it was duck tonight ... the kind served with egg rolls.)dpiercehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03397601206317363858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-32878814942576256002010-04-05T02:18:44.093+00:002010-04-05T02:18:44.093+00:00I read that quote and think "Oh yeah, there a...I read that quote and think "Oh yeah, there are SO MANY times I should have kept my mouth shut! And times I was glad I did!<br /><br />...and then, hmm, there are all those times I was glad I said something....<br /><br />And, hey, what about those times I WISH I'd said something!?!"<br /><br /><br />"Life is more situational than you imply, Publilus." -- Michael5000Michael5000https://www.blogger.com/profile/10148584819327475239noreply@blogger.com