tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post2258832296117983208..comments2024-03-13T09:47:40.487+00:00Comments on Cockpit Conversation: Aviation AbbreviationsAviatrixhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-37024353794302819552010-07-07T06:54:24.631+00:002010-07-07T06:54:24.631+00:00Critical Alpha, you don't even want to think a...Critical Alpha, you don't even want to think about starting to turn this into a pedant's paradise, especially if you bring up time.<br /><br />For example, UTC is not in fact "with reference to the meridian of Greenwich," though with the regular addition of leap seconds (at least so far, whether this practice will be continued is under hot debate) it does more or less track UT1, which is mean solar time at Greenwich.<br /><br />To this point, if you don't care about being up to about 0.9 seconds out (not that anybody here would be that sloppy), you could use the term "UT" instead, to make it ambiguous as to which UT you were referring.<br /><br />As for the future of leap seconds, I think that pilots should step up and volunteer to help out. If we simply banned all eastward trips of more than a certain length (dependent on latitude, of course), instead going the long way 'round to the west, this might stop the slowing of the earth's rotation enough that UTC would stay in sync with UT1 without having to add leap seconds. So, what do you all think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-29249312087687064622010-06-18T21:05:54.312+00:002010-06-18T21:05:54.312+00:00FWIW, AME is the US equivalent of CAME.FWIW, AME is the US equivalent of CAME.zeeke42https://www.blogger.com/profile/13782810414231954138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-73455242029447807672010-06-14T16:44:39.140+00:002010-06-14T16:44:39.140+00:00Thanks gmc, looks like I managed to skip that one....Thanks gmc, looks like I managed to skip that one. Your CAME has a different eye chart than mine.Aviatrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-34359818685422991082010-06-14T16:39:29.982+00:002010-06-14T16:39:29.982+00:00FAF is pronouced as a word - i.e. "Faph."...FAF is pronouced as a word - i.e. "Faph." <br /><br />All these pronouncation guides remind me of this catchy little ditty - dedicated to those of us who must take regular eye-tests for our pilot licences:<br /><a href="http://itunes.apple.com/ca/album/celery-stalks-at-midnight/id160488751" rel="nofollow">click I M 4 U for a Sample</a><br /><br />I-M-4-U S-I-M S-I-M <br /><br />G-I-1-2-B-4-U-4-F-R <br /><br />U-R-X-T-C S-U-R S-U-R <br /><br />I-N-10-2-B-4-U-4-F-R <br /><br />I-M-I-N-U U-R-I-N-2 <br /><br />S-E-Z-2-C B-B <br /><br />U-N-I-C-I-2-I-O <br /><br />I-M-4-U S-I-M S-I-M <br /><br />U-N-I-L-B-S-1-4-F-R-N-F-R-N-F-R<br /><br />I.M.4.U 1955 <br />Marino/ Melis <br />Paar/ Haskellgmchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09588569724644515868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-86612099733686812802010-06-14T16:29:39.134+00:002010-06-14T16:29:39.134+00:00@bigpeteb:
I agree with you on RNAV.
I've al...@bigpeteb:<br /><br />I agree with you on RNAV.<br /><br />I've always pronounced TAF to rhyme with "laugh". I've never heard VOR as anything but "spelled out". I hear "vor" and I think of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrayar" rel="nofollow">Barrayar</a>. :-)Travellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17263645693176777616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-79859842263073870112010-06-14T16:23:18.180+00:002010-06-14T16:23:18.180+00:00@ A Squared re: Ain't nuthin' about traffi...@ A Squared re: Ain't nuthin' about traffic on an ATIS recording.<br /><br />'Cept us oldies may recall when the broadcast used to end with "Keep alert and watch for traffic." But now that I think about it, that probably applied only to the longer hourly broadcast of area weather conditions. I wonder if that feature of aviation weather dissemination still happens somewhere?aluwingsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-35013995686974573062010-06-14T14:31:33.818+00:002010-06-14T14:31:33.818+00:00Critical Alpha, I could have longer definitions fo...Critical Alpha, I could have longer definitions for everything, but I wanted it simple. My intent is only to make my posts make sense for the uninitiated. I may eventually link this list to formal definitions or longer explanations.<br /><br />As I said in the post, it's "not official, complete or completely accurate, just enough to allow you to understand them in context."<br /><br />A Squared and Anonymous have just demonstrated that it is irrelevant what ATIS stands for, because pilots happily use it without knowing or agreeing on the expansion.<br /><br />bgpeteb has a very good point. I just got caught out the day before yesterday asking at an Alaska FBO for a <i>Tee Eh See</i> chart. The person looked at me funny and sold me a <i>tack</i>. I'll add those.Aviatrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-8414169636916345102010-06-14T13:09:34.284+00:002010-06-14T13:09:34.284+00:00ATIS: Automated Traffic Information System
Or so ...<i> ATIS: Automated Traffic Information System<br /><br />Or so I've been told numerous times </i> <br /><br />repetition doesn't negate inaccuracy. ATIS is automatid Terminal Information Service. Ain't nuthin' about traffic on an ATIS recording.A Squarednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-3014747993847899142010-06-14T11:08:22.407+00:002010-06-14T11:08:22.407+00:00ATIS: Automated Traffic Information System
Or so ...ATIS: Automated Traffic Information System<br /><br />Or so I've been told numerous times :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-33139853342377105022010-06-14T08:18:00.860+00:002010-06-14T08:18:00.860+00:00So which of these are pronounced as words instead ...So which of these <i>are</i> pronounced as words instead of initials? I would guess RNAV = "ar-nav", but what about TAF or VOR?Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13930344920896579956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-59395436274689867722010-06-14T08:12:56.710+00:002010-06-14T08:12:56.710+00:00Avi, this is a pedant's paradise...For UTC I w...Avi, this is a pedant's paradise...For UTC I would have expected a definition which said something like: "The time with reference to the meridian of Greenwich, (the meridian of zero longitude) and therefore [your definition]<br /><br />Perhaps pedantry isn't quite the right word. but fun anyway!!<br /><br />CACritical Alphahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16907258677958422214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-15545009534233137292010-06-14T04:44:53.678+00:002010-06-14T04:44:53.678+00:00Anoynmous I knew that: the order I had the words i...<b>Anoynmous</b> I knew that: the order I had the words in didn't match the acronym either. Just an indication of how little I need to expand the abbreviation.Aviatrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-55458857202225507832010-06-14T02:59:14.186+00:002010-06-14T02:59:14.186+00:00UTC is actually Coordinated Universal Time. The sc...UTC is actually Coordinated Universal Time. The scrambled acronym is sort of a compromise between the English (which wants to be CUT) and the French version of the phrase (which wants to be TUC).Anoynmoushttp://anoynmous.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-68778359577151851932010-06-14T02:02:33.306+00:002010-06-14T02:02:33.306+00:00Yep, A Squared, but if you know that, you don'...Yep, A Squared, but if you know that, you don't need this list. It's just to sort out the three ways I use the term. "The plane's not IFR." "We're going IFR." and "It's IFR at destination."<br /><br />I'm surprised that was the only definition you had quibbles with.Aviatrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-9183167764901494202010-06-14T01:19:22.905+00:002010-06-14T01:19:22.905+00:00IFR - Instrument Flight Rules - 1. flying with ref...<i> IFR - Instrument Flight Rules - 1. flying with reference to instruments alone, </i><br /><br /><br /> Y'know, I hate to be pedantic....aaahhh who am I fooling, I love being pedantic....But IFR means flying in accordance with the instrument flight rules. It is entirely possible to be:<br /><br />a) flying under IFR while controlling the plane primarily by outside reference.<br /><br />b) Flying under Visual Flight Rules, while controlling the plane exclusively by reference to instruments.A Squarednoreply@blogger.com