tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post7898947135202943114..comments2024-03-13T09:47:40.487+00:00Comments on Cockpit Conversation: Did You Find Colgan?Aviatrixhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-44736099434707989582009-02-28T06:45:00.000+00:002009-02-28T06:45:00.000+00:00Thanks for the transcript Aviatrix. I did a report...Thanks for the transcript Aviatrix. I did a report of this accident for Sky Blue but I waited as long as I could for an NTSB preliminary. As far as I know there still isn't one.<BR/><BR/>This was a freighting accident to be sure. I think everyone is anxious to know the probable cause. My heart goes out to the families and friends of Colgan 3704 passengers and crew.<BR/><BR/>I want to make special note of FO Rebecca Shaw. She was from Maple Valley, Washington on the southeastern corner of the Seattle area. The PI has a great article about her http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/400022_shaw14.html.<BR/><BR/>I have heard that the UCW has set up a scholarship fund in her name for woman desiring to be pilots. If I find a link I will post it!nicnacjakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03084794984283390522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-46035616029337340182009-02-15T18:28:00.000+00:002009-02-15T18:28:00.000+00:00Lots of LiveATC stations do that simply for expedi...Lots of LiveATC stations do that simply for expediency. It's all done by volunteers and they want to get as much traffic as they can.<BR/><BR/>It's pretty common for approach and tower to share frequency though... at least, it's not uncommon.<BR/><BR/>On the other side of the equation, I once had an approach controller switch me to tower and when I called tower the same guy answered. Once I landed he switched me to ground frequency and he answered that one too. When I left an hour later we went through the same thing in reverse... always the same guy just different frequencies...jinkstohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05645519830822645928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-61372928798620969642009-02-14T04:01:00.000+00:002009-02-14T04:01:00.000+00:00Yea I pulled this off the liveATC archives a few h...Yea I pulled this off the liveATC archives a few hours after the accident when i realized they had a KBUF feed. Thank you for making better sense out of it for me...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-56122159038374579002009-02-13T22:39:00.000+00:002009-02-13T22:39:00.000+00:00Ah, that makes perfect sense. Thanks, Anonymous.Ah, that makes perfect sense. Thanks, Anonymous.Aviatrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-27343867169642711442009-02-13T22:23:00.000+00:002009-02-13T22:23:00.000+00:00I believe you're listening to a scanner there and ...I believe you're listening to a scanner there and that's the reason that you're missing the beginning of people speaking sometimes. The scanner is listening on 120.5, 126.5 and 126.15.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-78857009040492124462009-02-13T19:32:00.000+00:002009-02-13T19:32:00.000+00:00Andy, yeah, I guess they have both tower and appro...Andy, yeah, I guess they have both tower and approach up on that frequency. We're hearing aircraft cleared to land, and at the end even what seem to be conversations with ground. I noticed the change of voice at the handover, but assumed a change of controllers, a supervisor or the like. <BR/><BR/>I was concentrating on getting the words right for the transcript.Aviatrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-8866610967094752392009-02-13T17:46:00.000+00:002009-02-13T17:46:00.000+00:00PS: also for Kevin More or less the same wording o...PS: also for Kevin <BR/><BR/>More or less the same wording of this law... (with the possible exception of the dollar amounts)... was in place in 1959.<BR/><BR/>It probably came into being well before that.<BR/><BR/>Radio operators had "special" status back then, perhaps similar to the Post Office, requiring similar privacy regulations. Technology has somewhat undermined that. <BR/><BR/>However, the law is still useful, because it could be used to prosecute things like unlawful access to cell-phone conversations, I suppose... etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-26210341026786484782009-02-13T17:37:00.000+00:002009-02-13T17:37:00.000+00:00For Kevin:4.2 Privacy of CommunicationsRadio opera...For Kevin:<BR/><BR/>4.2 Privacy of Communications<BR/><BR/>Radio operators and all persons who become acquainted with radiocommunications are bound to preserve the privacy of those communications. <BR/><BR/>In accordance with section 9(2) of the Radiocommunication Act no person shall divulge the contents, or the existence, of communications transmitted, received or intercepted by a radio station, except as permitted by the addressee of the message or his/her accredited agent, or to authorized officials of the Government of Canada, officers of the court or an operator of a telecommunications system as is necessary to forward or deliver the communication. These restrictions do not apply to a message of distress, urgency, safety or to messages addressed to "ALL STATIONS" (i.e. weather reports, storm warnings, etc).<BR/><BR/>As outlined in section 9.1 of the Act, any person who violates the privacy of communications is liable, on summary conviction, in the case of an individual, to a fine not exceeding twenty-five thousand dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year, or to both, or, in the case of a person other than an individual, on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding seventy-five thousand dollars.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-15735310411352360612009-02-13T16:08:00.000+00:002009-02-13T16:08:00.000+00:00I'm pretty sure we're hearing both Tower and Appro...I'm pretty sure we're hearing both Tower and Approach on the liveatc recording, no? Early on, listen as American 4422 is told to contact Tower over the marker... the next call is him calling the tower.<BR/><BR/>Right after they take the Delta through the localizer, I think the next two calls are Tower and Approach, respectively.Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04147585450880619831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-48843367191098023552009-02-13T15:50:00.000+00:002009-02-13T15:50:00.000+00:00Great post Aviatrix...thank you for not speculatin...Great post Aviatrix...thank you for not speculating. The armchair investigators over at Pprune have already figured out a few causes. On CNN, they have been speculating that carb ice may have contributed...morons, do a little research before opening your cake hole.<BR/><BR/>MarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-76705971214685955792009-02-13T15:19:00.000+00:002009-02-13T15:19:00.000+00:00In Canada it is illegal to report what is heard on...<I>In Canada it is illegal to report what is heard on the radio</I><BR/><BR/>Would you mind elaborating on this?Kevin DeGraafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17332881464039777507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-84965869902917185142009-02-13T15:16:00.000+00:002009-02-13T15:16:00.000+00:00Nice job on the post, Aviatrix.Our prayers to the ...Nice job on the post, Aviatrix.<BR/><BR/>Our prayers to the crew and passengers of Flight 3407.<BR/><BR/>Interestingly, the ATC-live tapes were aired on a Philadelphia radio talk show this am (Fri). A prominent aviation attorney and the talk show host did a credible job discussing the accident. <BR/><BR/>--paulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-39146879396720445362009-02-13T15:13:00.000+00:002009-02-13T15:13:00.000+00:00Thank you for that nice explanation of what (seemi...Thank you for that nice explanation of what (seemingly) happened. Learning about some of the "behind the scenes" stuff is helpful.<BR/><BR/>So sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-48334990644454384992009-02-13T14:38:00.000+00:002009-02-13T14:38:00.000+00:00Thanks for posting that transcript for us so quick...Thanks for posting that transcript for us so quickly.<BR/><BR/>I'm pretty sure that I flew on the accident aircraft last month (N200WQ according to reports) It was a nice ride from EWR to ALB.<BR/><BR/>Very sad to hear of this crash.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-44465268729755598882009-02-13T09:10:00.000+00:002009-02-13T09:10:00.000+00:00My heart goes out to the families affected by this...My heart goes out to the families affected by this crash. My husband flies to BUF fairly often, in a plane of similar capacity as Colgan's flight. I linked you up on my own post regarding the accident: http://www.cuteculturechick.com/2009/02/colgan-3407.htmlNicolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741556399764341585noreply@blogger.com