tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post7610747505256722578..comments2024-03-13T09:47:40.487+00:00Comments on Cockpit Conversation: And the 787 is AirborneAviatrixhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-3429889695590470352009-12-21T16:32:52.014+00:002009-12-21T16:32:52.014+00:00I just happened to be in Seattle on business (pure...I just happened to be in Seattle on business (pure coincidence), and saw the 787 as it turned onto final approach over Lake Washington. I didn't realize what I was seeing until that evening. I can confirm the weather was yucky - low clouds, rain at the ground, ice in the clouds.<br /><br />The next day I had a few hours before my flight back to TX, and went to Boeing Field. The bird was back inside somewhere, but I did spend a happy 2 hours at the aviation museum there. I saw the original 747, toured a Concorde and the old Air Force One, and sat in the cockpit of an SR-71.N6349Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-1084624030450287752009-12-21T13:53:02.649+00:002009-12-21T13:53:02.649+00:00Flightaware data was quite interesting - at time s...Flightaware data was quite interesting - at time showing an airspeed of 40 kts. Either those are really are glider wings they've bolted on, it's Really Slow Flight, or there are some quirks in the FlightAware calculations.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11726267862761677407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-50335974601947226392009-12-17T07:33:26.705+00:002009-12-17T07:33:26.705+00:00It was staying mostly over water, in areas where t...It was staying mostly over water, in areas where the cloud deck was not too low, and in American airspace.Aviatrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-51938577375985965422009-12-17T03:59:53.428+00:002009-12-17T03:59:53.428+00:00Yeah, I "supposedly tracked" it on Fligh...Yeah, I "supposedly tracked" it on FlightAware and it looked like it was just flying all over the local area.<br /><br />Also, those wings were bowed way up further than I would have guessed for a heavy and at takeoff (maiden). I agree with Scott Johnson, it reminded me of Burt Rutans Voyager....Lakotahopehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07047060573785191984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-73641435215731131722009-12-17T01:02:55.178+00:002009-12-17T01:02:55.178+00:00Electric Brakes<a href="http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/articles/qtr_4_06/article_04_3.html" rel="nofollow">Electric Brakes</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-39344467517804414202009-12-17T01:01:23.858+00:002009-12-17T01:01:23.858+00:00And just as importantly to me, it stopped as well ...And just as importantly to me, it stopped as well as it flew.<br /><br />Some say that the Space Shuttle Solid Rocket Booster seperation takes place at t+126 seconds, because that is the longest the engineers could comfortably hold their breath.<br /><br />I think the 787 rollout after touch down was about the longest I have held my breath recently.<br /><br />It was the first landing of a large commercial passenger airplane with Electric brakes.<br /><br />http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/articles/qtr_4_06/article_04_3.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-40255341906283566342009-12-16T02:06:51.456+00:002009-12-16T02:06:51.456+00:00Ahaha, thanks for that pointer, Scott. I may have...Ahaha, thanks for that pointer, Scott. I may have heard of the turtles, but never the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Order_of_Turtles" rel="nofollow">whole story</a>.<br /><br />And yes, GPS_Direct, that's <i>exactly</i> the prayer that came to my mind.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09991660841701835065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-79747963237134511922009-12-16T01:49:22.647+00:002009-12-16T01:49:22.647+00:00They're supposed to bend like that. You've...They're supposed to bend like that. You've all seen <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA9Kato1CxA" rel="nofollow">this video</a> of the wing stress test about 4 months ago, right?Aviatrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-14102817018994260052009-12-16T01:45:27.092+00:002009-12-16T01:45:27.092+00:00Glad the reporter didn't ask if he was a turtl...Glad the reporter didn't ask if he was a turtle. :)<br /><br />I too noticed and was struck by the way the wingtips deflected upward. I suppose some flex is expected on a wing made primarily of composite materials, but this brought back memories of the Rutan Voyager. It sure was fun seeing that bird finally take flight, though!Scott Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18076313660049246875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-67433051840480244422009-12-16T01:16:03.382+00:002009-12-16T01:16:03.382+00:00Heh... I didn't see the after flight conferen...Heh... I didn't see the after flight conference, but I would have guessed the pre-flight prayer would have been something like Alan Shepard in Freedom 7:<br /><br />"Dear God, please don't let me firetruck this up."<br /><br />Sums things up for all pilots, I think...GPS_Directhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00900545332230106711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-70762277643729097992009-12-16T00:20:56.274+00:002009-12-16T00:20:56.274+00:00I thought that question was especially lame, too. ...I thought that question was especially lame, too. You ask an engineer and test pilot if he <i>prayed</i> that his airplane would work or that he would fly it competently? I think "Sorry, I didn't hear the question" was an excellent answer.Aviatrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-38602816478664323142009-12-16T00:05:37.541+00:002009-12-16T00:05:37.541+00:00I heard a bit of the post-flight press conference ...I heard a bit of the post-flight press conference too, though I missed the landing. The questions where mostly lame - my favorite was, "Do you have an pre-flight rituals, any prayers?". Sheese. It was a routine flight. Sounded like they pushed the first-flight limits with weather a bit - first flight IFR with ice in the clouds, though they spent hours above a cloud deck. Doing slow-flight. <br /><br />I wondered what the take-off weight was. Maybe it was the angle, but it did look like a lot of dihedral bendy-wing going on. Looked like the bow you see in long span gliders with the airbrakes open!Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09991660841701835065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-76673708929436658692009-12-15T22:41:35.492+00:002009-12-15T22:41:35.492+00:00Perhaps the 239 kts is a artifact of the way the F...Perhaps the 239 kts is a artifact of the way the FlightAware data works. The captain just said they spent the whole time at 160 kts and below, never even retracted the take-off flaps. I thought he said not above 11,500' too. Maybe I misunderstood.<br /><br />Those numbers sound like one of my missions. :-)Aviatrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-7934917393744955642009-12-15T22:36:35.750+00:002009-12-15T22:36:35.750+00:00Dear Trix:
Thanks for the FlightAware link. From ...Dear Trix:<br /><br />Thanks for the FlightAware link. From the Track Log,<br /><br />Max Alt.= 13,200 MSL<br />Max Spd.= 239 knots<br />Max Climb= 900 fpm<br />Max Descent= -960 fpm<br />Speed on final= 132 knots<br /><br />She's a pretty bird, isn't she?<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />FrankFrank Van Hastehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10821687850881538546noreply@blogger.com