tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post4935829229224776186..comments2024-03-13T09:47:40.487+00:00Comments on Cockpit Conversation: Wayward StudentAviatrixhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-78755435118210132009-08-27T17:21:12.938+00:002009-08-27T17:21:12.938+00:00That's because you'd be hard-pressed to es...That's because you'd be hard-pressed to escape radar coverage in southern Ontario and still be at an altitude where it was safe to accept vectors direct. I hope you were also taught how to ask a radar-equipped controller for navigational assistance. <br /><br />It's possible that they only had SSR coverage and no primary coverage in the area where the student was, so that he wouldn't show up on radar, but I doubt anyone in southern Ontario is filing /N.Aviatrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-34714813806178948382009-08-27T15:01:05.579+00:002009-08-27T15:01:05.579+00:00Ahh.. the Good Ole DF Steer! I was taught how to d...Ahh.. the Good Ole DF Steer! I was taught how to do one. Then two years later, they stopped providing them in Southern Ontario.<br /><br />Glad to hear that you can still use 'em elsewhere!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03662671728604862447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-82852017567085110992009-08-25T16:34:16.824+00:002009-08-25T16:34:16.824+00:00How about wayward instructors.
Sometime in the mi...How about wayward instructors.<br /><br />Sometime in the mid-sixties, a Winnipeg Flying Club instructor was somewhat concerned about his (female) student, who was on her cross-country solo. So he booked a cross-country dual for the same time, following behind her, keeping her in sight.<br /><br /> The first leg was Winnipeg to Brandon with landing.<br /><br />Solo female maintained cruise altitude a little too long, realizes it, peels off quickly, gets into the Brandon circuit and lands normally.<br /><br />Instructor and dual student, carelessly following and watching the solo, were both unaware of their exact position. When she peeled off, they lost sight and spent time looking for her instead of figuring their position.<br /><br />They passed Brandon by 10 minutes. Female solo happily on the ground, stamped logbook in hand, ready to run up for the next leg, wondering where the hell they were 'cause she was told to wait...<br /><br />Well before they landed and sheepishly admitted what kept them.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />...<br /><br />...Iceboundnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-91748862950183617362009-08-24T06:13:54.048+00:002009-08-24T06:13:54.048+00:00I have landed at Red Deer 6 or 7 times in the last...I have landed at Red Deer 6 or 7 times in the last 3 years. I remember my very first landing there on my first solo x-country. I flew down from Cooking lake, with Red Deer as my first stop, then Rocky mountain house, Whitecourt, and back to Cooking lake through Edmonton airspace. I know where Red Deer is now obviously, but on my first Solo I had a hard time seeing it 3 miles out. There is nothing scarier than the first time thinking your lost or going IFR (either accidental or on purpose).SwL_Wildcatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-11690798248566837392009-08-23T03:44:58.197+00:002009-08-23T03:44:58.197+00:00Sounds like that student needs a little more nav w...Sounds like that student needs a little more nav work.<br /><br />I remember I got lost on my first solo x-country. First leg was fine, but the second leg I realized a little too late my planning log I had created was done incorrectly.<br /><br />As long as you stay relaxed its not usually that hard to employ some map reading and narrow down where you are.Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13732820595579405728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-59014948465390603782009-08-22T13:51:36.781+00:002009-08-22T13:51:36.781+00:00This is why I may never be an instructor. The sen...This is why I may never be an instructor. The sense of responsibility for keeping students alive and in known locations seems overwhelming at the moment. I'd probably be one of those instructors who never solo their students.... " oh, just 500 more patterns..." :)<br /><br />Flying around this summer, I heard a student call on CTAF for help getting found. She was calm, but seemed rather unprepared with orientation skills. Some closer kind pilot started to talk about landmarks, VOR usage and such about when she was told her instructor was taking off & climbing high enough to be able to talk to her. I'm sure she made it home.<br /><br />I've never been lost yet, but I have been momentarily confused. In Minnesota, landof10000lakes, a lake has to be very big and very distinctively shaped to be of use for navigation. Especially in a dry year, when shorelines on the shallow lakes change shape.<br /><br />Luckily, I fly well equipped airplanes with dual VOR, DME, ADF, Loran/GPS... almost too many ways to know where you are. It's distracting.<br /><br />As a student should be, I was encouraged to fly like I have in gliders, looking at the map and dead reckoning. In gliders, you're so slow and it's tough to get lost. In airplanes, especially low, well... I do love my GPS. I'm uncomfortable getting close to class-B rings without one.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09991660841701835065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-43525676060519933612009-08-22T10:24:16.847+00:002009-08-22T10:24:16.847+00:00On the other hand, phoning in for help is one very...On the other hand, phoning in for help is one very good way of getting home. IMO, just as useful as calling centre.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00926245472835032949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-27376707844316029482009-08-22T10:19:58.300+00:002009-08-22T10:19:58.300+00:00I remember my Qualifying Cross Country for my PPL ...I remember my Qualifying Cross Country for my PPL (here in the UK). First two legs fine, but took off from my final airfield and had one of those moments where I didn't believe the DI (I know, I know... always believe your instruments!!)... anyway, I managed to find myself over a town I couldn't identify from the map... Luckily with the help of a VOR and a very distinctly shaped lake I got myself back on course! (And no-one ever knew!)pielothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11889131171901491166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-68651735662990794052009-08-22T06:31:20.704+00:002009-08-22T06:31:20.704+00:00this recently happened to one of the earlier stude...this recently happened to one of the earlier students in my program. He was out on his first solo cross country, and some how find a way to get lost...he contacts our own frequency for assistance..<br />the duty instructor responsible for solo flights advised him that he can talk to toronto terminal ..instead of telling him to turn on the gps and so on.<br /><br />so that he would be looking out instead of busy with his head in the cockpit trying to work the GPS.<br /><br />i still didn't understand how he got lost after he explained it to me...but regardless, he made it back in one pieceRamielhttp://www.pilotsdiscretion.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-16624426459411723522009-08-22T03:53:26.162+00:002009-08-22T03:53:26.162+00:00I've flown in southern Alberta. It's NOT ...I've flown in southern Alberta. It's NOT an easy place to get lost in as you point out - with cut lines and major roads running basically north/south, east/west. And from Red Deer you don't have to be very high to see the Rocky Mountains to the west. With all this, a compass (he does know how to read a compass one hopes), and a map he'd better be able to un-lost himself.<br /><br />Once I did have a student climb above a thin cloud layer inadvertantly. Happily he immediately contacted the tower who put him over to the center and they vectored him to an area of broken clouds for a visual descent... Live and learn (with the emphasis on that first word!).xinstructrnoreply@blogger.com