tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post2334809128705816549..comments2024-03-13T09:47:40.487+00:00Comments on Cockpit Conversation: Secret Security MeasuresAviatrixhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13634111275860140084noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-90806070110961579162010-01-09T03:29:45.271+00:002010-01-09T03:29:45.271+00:00Now THAT is funny! Some folks out there are smart...Now THAT is funny! Some folks out there are smarter than your average bear.<br /><br />My favorite has an OK logo, but the slogan <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/3OuXbab0j8s2WBWGsFZ0QQ?feat=directlink" rel="nofollow">nails it</a>.GPS_Directhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00900545332230106711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-88054157303322827502010-01-08T17:27:53.684+00:002010-01-08T17:27:53.684+00:00Anyone hear of the TSA logo contest?
There are so...Anyone hear of the <a href="http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/01/tsa_logo_contes.html" rel="nofollow">TSA logo contest</a>?<br /><br />There are some good ones - here is <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/11068720@N00/4251227201/" rel="nofollow">my favorite</a>.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09991660841701835065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-89367319277088007212010-01-07T13:37:59.819+00:002010-01-07T13:37:59.819+00:00My initial thought upon hearing about this inciden...My initial thought upon hearing about this incident was that it should be counted as a success in counter-terrorism. The passenger screening appeared to be good enough that the perpetrator couldn't manage to bring an effective bomb aboard the aircraft, passengers stepped up to stop him when they discovered what he was doing, and the aircraft landed safely.<br /><br />Bravo! One attempt at terrorism has little to no effect.<br /><br />Until the TSA steps in, of course, and decides to make it a lot more successful. Now we have yet more secret rules, an elevated climate of fear, and a greatly elevated level of passenger annoyance and inconvenience, including losing the right to read a book (or was that never a right in the U.S.?) for an hour of one's life.<br /><br />It makes me wonder if TSA really stands for "Terrorist Support Agency." Terrorists wouldn't get nearly as far at disrupting our lives without the TSA's to assist them in this way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-42394448104904024872010-01-06T14:42:25.107+00:002010-01-06T14:42:25.107+00:00It is a very troubling precedent. I recall the is...It is a very troubling precedent. I recall the issue came up a while ago when we were talking about the "Large Aircraft Security Program" ( I think: LASP, anyway )<br /><br />The document, a proposal for rulemaking, was 'secret'. Fortunately, one could look at certain web sites to find out what our goverments are planning. "wiki leaks" and/or "crypto me" ( one word each plus ".org", obfuscated 'cause I'm feeling paranoid )<br /><br />I have no problem with keeping <i>some</i> things secret - weapons and defense come to mind - but legislation?Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09991660841701835065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-66453409261565603992010-01-06T00:13:46.243+00:002010-01-06T00:13:46.243+00:00@John Lennerton
If folks where up and about while...@John Lennerton<br /><br />If folks where up and about while you were taxiing - even if stopped - then the airline/FAs were ignoring FAA rules too. "Seatbelts on for taxi, takeoff, and landing."<br /><br />While <b>SOME</b> TSA folks may be moderating, the secretive rule structure and lack of public oversight leave room for unending abuses.<br /><br />Unreasonable search and seizure...<br />No probable cause...<br />How about "body scanning" a 13 year old girl??? Sure the images are "immediately" deleted.<br />The legal issues continue to pile up.<br /><br />How can you legally defend yourself when the crime you've committed is secret?<br /><br />"Double-secret probation" is nothing... Let's hope she's not on the No-Fly List!GPS_Directhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00900545332230106711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-2466878088098241132010-01-05T16:03:00.288+00:002010-01-05T16:03:00.288+00:00First time I read it I thought the exemption of He...First time I read it I thought the exemption of Heads of State (and Heads of Government) plus their spouse, and one (only) nominated other, was daft, but then I realised that the USA, hosting the UN probably gets at least one HoS or HoG a week, and for General Assembly, lots more, so it probably made sense.<br /><br />If Pax can't go to the loo for the last (scheduled) hour of the flight, there is going to be a rush, as soon as they disembark, particularly if there has been any delay in landing! Er, do those curious mobile lounges at Washington Dulles have sufficient loos for all Pax to "go"?Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18319912007268816030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-76934924643915205582010-01-05T04:15:54.793+00:002010-01-05T04:15:54.793+00:00You are seeing the end of the air travel industry....You are seeing the end of the air travel industry. *sigh*<br /><br />The terror threat is a parasite on a host that cannot be controlled except by killing the host.<br /><br />Sorry to be so glum. The site of 10,000 trying to get through security at KEWR is appalling. Who would travel by part 121 except those who absolutely have to?<br /><br />--paulUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11326402007079993027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-20110812264382348632010-01-04T23:24:29.450+00:002010-01-04T23:24:29.450+00:00The real reason for secrecy has nothing to do with...The real reason for secrecy has nothing to do with National Security. <br /><br />If we were actually able to read the regulations, we would discover just how inept, and incompetent the TSA really is. HOwever we cannot do so, therefore we can only guess.<br /><br />So far the TSA has managed to catch more intoxicated crew than terrorists!mattheww50https://www.blogger.com/profile/00898846687006155502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-61985876483005107842010-01-04T19:55:53.945+00:002010-01-04T19:55:53.945+00:00There's a great comedy skit in all this somewh...There's a great comedy skit in all this somewhere... Where are Harvey Korman and Tim Conway when you need them!?...<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvasXb3sdxU" rel="nofollow">click here</a>Aluwingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16518739658424324739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-30815935656136076232010-01-04T15:24:54.395+00:002010-01-04T15:24:54.395+00:00Flying domestically over the recent holiday season...Flying domestically over the recent holiday season (one trip before the incident, the return after), I noticed only a minimal increase in security. In fact, while departing KPHL late on 2 Jan, we were 'stuck' in the alley after push back, thanks to a broken down fuel truck. During the 10 minutes it took to tow the truck out of our way, 2 people left their seats and moved forward to the galley area. No one panicked, no one yelled, the flight attendants were calm, and all was well. I've been on flights where the crew will scream at us for wriggling in our seats.<br /><br />I hope, and do believe, that common sense will win over government rules that make no sense, or are unenforcable. Certainly the early indications are promising.<br /><br />Aviatrix, there is a secret rule against complaining about secret rules. You should have known about this. You are now on double secret probation.John Lennertonhttp://www.lennerton.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-31333228213402815402010-01-04T12:00:43.646+00:002010-01-04T12:00:43.646+00:00Jeremy, living in Europe and flying to the US for ...Jeremy, living in Europe and flying to the US for business regularly I do notice the difference in presentation of TSA rules between US and European carriers. Enforcement of the "queuing rule" has been lax by US carriers... non-existent for European carriers.<br /><br />You should know that US authorities have limited jurisdiction with respect to foreign airlines; they can get nasty and refuse incoming (or overflying) flights, but have little to say when the outbound flight has left US airspace.MathFoxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-88093338984144607452010-01-04T07:26:08.858+00:002010-01-04T07:26:08.858+00:00It is refreshing, however, how the airlines stand ...It is refreshing, however, how the airlines stand up to the TSA's silly secrecy policies when they can -as you point out, these new rules were as clearly as possibly communicated by the airlines to the actual travelers.<br /><br />I live in Australia. Regarding the queuing for the restroom policy, when I fly to the US, the flight crew usually makes an announcement along the lines of "the US TSA has required us to notify you that..." and then describes the policy. It it said with a hint of exasperation and reading between the lines, you know that the crew isn't really going enforce this. Indeed they never do - during the whole flight, people are never bothered. (Admittedly, usually as we leave international airspace to arrive at LAX, arrival procedures are in place anyway and we wouldn't be allowed to get up, but overall the Australians seem to have a reasonable sense about it.)<br /><br />On my more recent domestic trips on Southwest and Virgin America, there were often people waiting in near the front despite the "policy."<br /><br />I'm not sure what this proves, as you'd think the flight crews would get in trouble with the TSA/air marshalls for allowing this, so does this mean the TSA doesn't really care about enforcing their own rules? Or do the airlines truly stand up to them?Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00156137358933497969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-25650570211753131712010-01-04T05:41:58.624+00:002010-01-04T05:41:58.624+00:00Remember Carnac the Great on the Johnny Carson sho...Remember Carnac the Great on the Johnny Carson show? He'd hold an envelope up to his head and give an answer? We now have the TSA equivalent. We'll make the rules up but you'll have to guess them.amulbunny's random thoughtshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10621932038345682056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10000144.post-13166425661569748902010-01-04T05:23:26.233+00:002010-01-04T05:23:26.233+00:00Once again the changes are secret, distributed onl...<i>Once again the changes are secret, distributed only to the airlines, so you won't know what you are doing wrong until they tell you.</i><br /><br />This is exactly what I am against. By the name of security, it is not right that the paying passengers don't even know what to do to do it right. Not blaming the airlines or airport operators but the U.S TSA. Those little things they announce once in a while, will actually hurt the airline business eventually. Of course, safety comes first but the passengers should know where the travel restrictions come from.<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />JarkkoJarkkohttp://planegrazy.comnoreply@blogger.com